Plot hole: The original "Make everyone forget that Spider-man is Peter Parker except..." spell went horribly wrong and Strange at the end of the movie is struggling to prevent a complete collapse of reality because people from the whole multiverse who fit the exception shoehorned by Peter have been drawn to this reality. Strange then does a new spell that supersedes the other by making everyone forget Peter Parker, period. The problem is, by that logic everyone would forget who Peter is also in all those universes involved and so Maguire and Garfield's life are likewise ruined and one wonders if they are even allowed to remember their own name (after all, the initial spell did affect them, so the radical undoing of it should too).
Sammo
21st Dec 2021
Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021)
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Suggested correction: There is no indication that Strange's spell works on the multiverse. I'd say that is a bit of a stretch. The spell was focussed on MCU's spiderman, and him being forgotten fixed the multiverse (temporarily probably). The initial spell was flawed and broke down the multiverse barriers, causing other universes to spill in. The new spell fixed that, not change those universes.
I came here because I had realised the exact same thing Sammo had. The villains are not there because they know who MCU-Peter is, they are there because they know that Peter is Spider-Man in their universe. The first spell is still active, the second spell adjusts the consequences of it, because why else would the second spell send them back? The only way the villains can vanish is if they forget who Peter is in their universe as well, which means the other two Spideys are in the same situation.
The spilled over Spider-Men and villains can vanish because the second spell restores the flaws of the first spell, which caused the barriers of reality to come down. With the flaw restored, everything that spilled over is returned automatically. Not because they too don't know who Spider-Man is now, but because reality is restored.
That's not really the way they presented it in the movie. The second spell is "Make everyone forget who Peter Parker is." If it works the way you say, wouldn't they have been able to accomplish the same with a spell with less severe consequences, like "make everyone forget my middle name"?
MCU's Peter Parker, because MCU's Spider-Man is not forgotten. My point was that since the spell failure DID affect people from the whole multiverse, "everyone who know that Peter Parker is Spider-man" even when it's not THEIR Peter Parker, why would the fix (which happens when the beings have already broken in) be a selective one on a specific Peter? Happy if they address it in one of the next movies.
The first spell was also focussed on the MCU's Peter Parker but the failure caused tears in the multiverse and caused people to spill in, the spell didn't directly affect them. The fix was again specifically aimed at the MCU's Peter Parker, to supersede the failed spell and cause the tears to heal and the spilled over people to return. This one did work and thus only the MCU was affected whilst the others were returned (still with memories from changes by MCU's Peter).
As I said, hard to say it "didn't directly affect" those people when they were sucked into a different universe against their will, and they were because they had one peculiar trait the movie keeps hammering in; knowing that Peter Parker, any Peter, is Spider-man. It's the characters that use it in the exposition and then in the resolution, with two different meanings that don't match.
It was stated near the beginning that the spell went out of hand because it was changed six times mid-spell. Changing a spell while it's in the middle of being cast causes the spell to go berserk. The spell cast at the end is not changed mid-cast, so it was more controlled than the old spell.
If he just needed to cast properly, he could have casted it again in a more controlled way, but he cannot since "they're here." So it is a different spell, but if the condition "being Peter Parker" was not sufficiently clear the first time around (and Peter even interrupted the spell saying "everyone who knew that *I* was Spider-man before", not "everyone who knows Peter Parker is Spider-man"), there's no reason why it should be now.As I said, I'm pointing out that the meaning keeps shifting.
Suggested correction: That this was only limited to the MCU universe is a given because extending it to every possible universe is an impossible plot element to put into the story, for one simple reason: Our universe is officially part of the Marvel multiverse, and if the memory alteration extended to every universe, then we (the audience) would no longer remember Peter either.
20th Dec 2021
64th Street: A Detective Story
Other mistake: Finishing the game with one coin, you are rewarded by the game acknowledging your "PARFECT" run.
20th Dec 2021
Venom: Let There Be Carnage (2021)
Stupidity: Venom is sensitive to sounds (the first movie mentioned frequencies from 4,000 to 6,000 hertz, but in this movie both him and Carnage are utterly discombobulated by things like bells and alarms, to the point that if only the prison didn't have literally one alarm siren Carnage would have had a harder time escaping). So naturally he goes to hang out...at a concert. At the end of his soapbox speech he even literally drops the mic, causing a high-pitched Larsen that fails to get any reaction. (00:47:20)
20th Dec 2021
Venom: Let There Be Carnage (2021)
Revealing mistake: In a random act of road rage, Carnage sticks out a couple of tentacles, effortlessly lifts up a truck that was driving by, and tosses it off the bridge. Great, but no matter how strong Carnage and each tentacle of his is, it can't nullify physics; it lifts that vehicle stopping entirely its momentum, and Carnage's car does not even remotely budge for the added weight. (00:45:25)
20th Dec 2021
Venom: Let There Be Carnage (2021)
Audio problem: Eddie Brock is trying to find where Carnage might be headed. To draw inspiration he listens to the recording of the last time they spoke (when incidentally he was never seen retrieving the tape). However, the lines in the recording are different takes from the original scene, spoken at a brisker pace without dramatic acting pauses. (00:38:00 - 00:42:40)
20th Dec 2021
Kindaichi shônen no jiken bo (1997)
Opera House Murder Case: File 3 - S1-E23
Plot hole: For the murder to happen, the killer needed to be next to the alarm bell and at the same time up in the stage rafter to cut the support cable, all while making sure the victim stayed exactly on the spot she needed to be for this demented trap to work.
19th Dec 2021
Lust Epidemic
Character mistake: Throughout the whole game, a verb used quite extensively is misspelled as "mastErbate."
19th Dec 2021
The Punisher (1993)
Other mistake: In the ending of the game, "its" is misused in place of "it's" twice in a single sentence ("it's support structure badly damaged collapsed, it's dying echo reverberating", etc). Also, first it mentions that Kingpin's dead and his empire of crime collapses over time gradually, then in the last sentence it makes clear that he's not dead at all.
19th Dec 2021
The Punisher (1993)
Character mistake: At the end of the penultimate stage, Frank menacingly says "Kingpin! Your LUCKS finally run out."
19th Dec 2021
Kindaichi shônen no jiken bo (1997)
Opera House Murder Case: File 1 - S1-E21
Continuity mistake: At the beginning of the episode you can see on the deck only Miyuki, a guy to her right, and to her left Kindaichi and her female friend. When Kindaichi starts throwing up, the whole drama club is there and everyone's position has changed. (00:01:45)
19th Dec 2021
Kindaichi shônen no jiken bo (1997)
Hida Mechanical Mansion Murder Case: File 3 - S1-E20
Plot hole: Even considering the fact that the corridor was dimly lit (but not in complete darkness), it is impossible to plan the 'switch' the way it happened. For the plan to work, the killer needed to go through a revolving door at the same time as Kindaichi; there was no guarantee which of the two halves of the door he'd make spin, though, and he needed precise timing (against someone running through the door at full speed) and not make a sound with the keys he was carrying. The corridor (and therefore the door) is also so narrow that you wouldn't be able to ever pull it off.
19th Dec 2021
Kindaichi shônen no jiken bo (1997)
Hida Mechanical Mansion Murder Case: File 1 - S1-E18
Plot hole: At the beginning of the episode, Kindaichi and his friends have an encounter with the mysterious figure that will be murdered later (allegedly). Three episodes later the identity of this mysterious figure is revealed, creating an impossibility when you consider who played that role. (00:03:10)
19th Dec 2021
Kindaichi shônen no jiken bo (1997)
Demon Suite Murder Case: File 2 - S1-E17
Revealing mistake: When Kindaichi looks the name up in the French dictionary, the pages are entirely made up of the same paragraph repeated over and over. (00:08:50)
19th Dec 2021
Kindaichi shônen no jiken bo (1997)
Demon Suite Murder Case: File 2 - S1-E17
Continuity mistake: Inside Arisa's room when she screams for the arrow incident, Miyuki's top is the same color as the sleeves of Kindaichi's polo, instead of being yellow. (00:04:00)
19th Dec 2021
Kindaichi shônen no jiken bo (1997)
Demon Suite Murder Case: File 2 - S1-E17
Continuity mistake: When the butler arrives in the room where Arisa was wounded, the arrow in the foreground is at an impossible angle considering it should point towards him. (00:04:10)
19th Dec 2021
Kindaichi shônen no jiken bo (1997)
Demon Suite Murder Case: File 1 - S1-E16
Continuity mistake: In the second murder, the toy tops on the floor are in a different position depending on the shot. (00:12:55)
18th Dec 2021
Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021)
Plot hole: Sandman's only wish is, as he repeats, to go back and see his daughter again. He helps Spider-man a few times, but at the same time he does not trust him entirely, so he does not act as full time ally. In the final battle though, at one point he explicitly sides with the Sinister Five, making for cool visuals in the battle but no sense; Electro and the others want to destroy the device that will send him home. He has no reasons to support them and every reason to prevent this from happening.
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Suggested correction: He doesn't side with the Sinister Five. He demands for Spider-Man to hand him the box during the final battle. It's clear that his intention is to hit the button and be taken back to his universe. He is fighting for himself in the final battle.
As I said, cool visuals in the battle at the price of not making sense. At one point he's doing coordinate attacks on them with Electro and Lizard, he fights without chasing the box, and again, he's visually and in actions on the side of those whose victory will spell the end of his only wish, just because he wants those who wanna help him to do it faster? At no point in the battle it would make sense to do what he does.
You are incorrect.
18th Dec 2021
Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021)
Plot hole: The whole premise of the movie is that due to a botched spell, people who happen to know that "Peter Parker is Spider-Man" are pulled inside this universe. It's a bit of a stretch already that amongst those people is...Peter Parker himself, twice over, but let's say it makes sense. The problem is that Jamie Foxx's Electro does not meet this condition; he never found out. You could say it's a retcon or it's a different universe from the original movie's, but even this cop-out explanation is negated by the movie itself when Max Dillon makes a joke that shows that he didn't know Spidey's identity or even race.
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Suggested correction: Although Max didn't discover Peter's identity on film, an explanation of why Max knows his name IS offered. When the villains are talking about what happened before they found themselves in the MCU, Max indicated that once he tapped fully into the power grid and information systems, there was nothing he didn't know at that point. Since we know there is a clandestine organization tracking Peter from the end of ASM1, it's possible Max gained the info from their database.
In the interest of clarity, you refer to the one line that goes "I was stuck in the grid, absorbing data."? Nothing about tapping fully, and becoming omniscient as the correction presents. So we have to give it that specific meaning and make a connection to the obscure postcredit scene by Fiers in the unfinished trilogy that asks Connors if he said anything to the boy imagining that it produced data that was 'on the grid' somehow, and Electro never processed this information in the movie. Not sure if it's quite an"explanation offered", since the movie offers none. It's a 'possible' explanation like the other one people use, about hearing Gwen say Peter's name (I like this one better because at least it would give a special meaning to a throwaway line and I do I love attention to details).
Suggested correction: I don't find it such a stretch that he knew Peter's name but didn't know what he looked like.
When Spider-Man is explaining his plan to defeat Electro to Gwen, Gwen addresses him as "Peter." Electro was laying on the ground nearby and likely would have heard this. Presumably, knowing that Spidey's real name was Peter was enough to pull him in.
There are almost 10,000 "Peter" in New York alone in our world. Knowing just the super-common first name wouldn't cut it and the movie does nothing to support this theory, in fact does everything to undermine it (Strange's explanation, Electro's joke, complete lack of addressing it, etc). Also if he overheard that bit in the original movie, he would have also learned their plans to defeat him.
Suggested correction: I guess we're all going to ignore the fact that this Electro has a completely different look than the Max we saw previously. It's quite possible he's from a different universe.
He's not from a different universe than the Electro from The Amazing Spider-Man 2. The Lizard and the Andrew Garfield version of Spider-Man both know who he is, and he talks about events from the aforementioned film. His different appearance is also explained in the film.
All that means is he went through similar experiences and has a similar appearance as the Max they knew. Ala J. Jonah Jameson.
Suggested correction: It's not people who know who is Spider-Man that are spilling in, it's people who are connected to him in any way.
No, no. Strange says it explicitly "That little spell you botched, when you wanted everyone to forget that Peter Parker is Spider-man? It started pulling in everyone who knows that Peter Parker is Spider-man" and so on. That's why in the end they fix it by making everyone forget who Peter Parker is, not who Spider-man is.
18th Dec 2021
Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021)
Stupidity: In the first part of the movie, Peter has to deal with the various 'visitors' and bring them too Strange. But the device Strange will use is just going to send them home no matter where they are (conveniently at the push of a button that even complete ignoramus can push) and there are visitors he does not know about, so everything up to that point has been meaningless. Then it becomes a matter of 'curing' every one of those visitors, but if -as it seems - they have been fetched moments before their deaths, 'curing' them is not going to fix anything. They are still going to die or end up in prison for life due to the horrors they committed.
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Suggested correction: Part of the problem we have is that instead of just dealing with the Multiverse, they're also creating parallel or alternate realities in those universes since everyone is pulled from a different point in time in their realities, so any changes besides their death is going to create a new timeline. And I think part of the plan to send them back cured was that from their they could change their course of action or be able to reason with their Spider-Man, which would mean it's better than nothing.
Yes, that's the idea, with all the problems we underlined and the movie ignores entirely. Much like when in Avengers Endgame they don't show you how Cap brings back the stones with the precision required, they elegantly skipped showing us if and how each of them avoids being impaled, drowned, dissolved, or how does it even work for those fetched by the 'same' timeline. We'll see if they deal with these messy timelines at any point in the future.
Suggested correction: With the exception of Doc Ock - who learned Spidey's identity shortly before he died - there's nothing to suggest the other villains were fetched from their realities moments before their deaths, or that they will die upon returning to their realities. Whether or not they end up in prison after returning is irrelevant to the fact that Peter wants to help them. If he doesn't cure them, then they are free to continue causing mayhem regardless of what reality they are occupying.
It's stated in the film that BOTH Otto and Norman died while fighting Spider-Man and that both were pulled from their reality shortly before dying. Max then recounts his fight before being pulled and says "I was about to die." Then Curt asks Max if he died too, but they get interrupted before we find out.
"Shortly" is a relative term. Goblin discovered Spider-Man's identity at Thanksgiving dinner and then died a day or two later. Electro's fate was rather ambiguous, but Jamie Foxx himself implied prior to The Amazing Spider-Man 2's release that he would be appearing in more films, likely including the Sinister Six movie that never came to fruition. We know from The Amazing Spider-Man that Lizard didn't die.
"Shortly before dying" as in pulled during the fight that they died during, not a few days before. It wasn't about being pulled when they found out who Spider-Man was.
Even so, if Green Goblin is pulled from his reality 5 minutes before his death, that would be considered shortly, but it certainly wouldn't be mere moments before he died as the original entry was suggesting. The movie never explicitly states how soon before their deaths they were pulled, therefore we as viewers can reasonably assume that there could have been just enough time for them to alter their course of actions and prevent their deaths.
Also, the reason why Peter wants to 'cure' them is not because they are causing mayhem, but as he explicitly says, because he's not comfortable sending them back when 'some' of them will die - thing is, he can't know that curing their conditions will save them, the whole idea kinda comes out of nowhere. I submitted it as Stupidity because I was sure someone would object it's not a plot hole since it's just stuff the characters 'believe' and there's no proof it's true, however it's funny that 90% of the stuff Peter does in this movie is probably completely pointless.
Saying that he can't know that curing their conditions won't save them is like a doctor saying they won't give a cancer patient chemotherapy because they don't know if it will save them. Their chances of being saved are certainly better if they are cured and cease fighting Spider-Man. If Osborn is returned cured before he attempts to impale Spider-Man with his glider, then that would certainly prevent him from dying in that situation.
I absolutely respect the fact that they want Spidey to be heroic and that the moment he knows that they are going to die he wants to do something about it, that's why I say that it's just funny that there's no indication at all that it would work (by all logic it would not) but it's elegantly glossed over. Let me remind you though that he's not a doctor that wants to cure his sick patient, he's a doctor that wants to cure someone who died 1-2 decades earlier in accidents he doesn't really get into the details of.
There not being an indication that it would work does not make it a stupidity. He can't let the villains remain in his reality, or else it will cause a major multiversal catastrophe. He doesn't want to send them back to their realities and die fighting other Spider-Men, so he does what he thinks is his best option. For this to be a stupidity, there would have to be a rather obvious alternate solution that he overlooked (such as asking Strange to make everyone forget Mysterio's broadcast instead of making everyone forget Peter Parker is Spider-Man).
I don't want to make my own movie in my head, the one we got is more than enjoyable, and I don't want to say that the character is stupid (any movie would be easily solved with afterthought or cynicism, such as "let Strange do his thing"); I merely pointed out that the plot takes you for a ride forcing you to buy premises that are taken as 100% fact and logical (they never ever even imply the fact that what Peter does could be pointless or problematic - in most movies, saving dead people is not a good idea) when they are anything but that. If I know that a crazy person died driving a car into a tree, curing his craziness is one step and not even the most important (would a crazy Norman not survive, if he goes back in time at the right moment and knows what is going to happen? again, the bigger flaw being that if he remembers dying, how can I undo that?) but the movie is surely not going for the "It's most certainly useless, but aww, at least he tried" angle.
18th Dec 2021
Venom: Let There Be Carnage (2021)
Other mistake: In a weird move concocted for the movie, Carnage creates a tornado spinning around real fast with his tentacle sticking out. Against physics, one of the tentacles gets a hold of the prison chief and keep still for a few seconds while Carnage's body in the background has spun around itself a few times already. (00:38:30)
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