Plot hole: By having Admiral Holdo perform her infamous hyperspace ramming stunt, Rian Johnson created a continuity problem with the rest of the Star Wars universe. Since this maneuver was successful, every space battle before and since should only include a droid piloting spacecraft ramming enemy bases through hyperspace. This tactic would have been more cost effective and less risky than full on space battles seen in previous films. This tactic would no doubt have been tried in a universe filled with space battles often with disposable troops on both sides, such as in the Clone Wars. The Death Star did not need a successful trench run to be destroyed, just an X-wing with a droid ramming it at hyperspeed.
Bishop73
9th Dec 2019
Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)
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Suggested correction: I think it's a one in a million shot. The damaged caused crippled the large ship but didn't fully destroy it and the other ships destroyed were caused by the debris from the bigger ship and ramming ship. That's just bad tactics. But in the case of for example the death star I doubt highly that ramming it with hyperspace jumps will cause significant damage. It's not like you are firing an armor piercing round and I'm pretty sure ships are equipped with all sorts of anti-debris protection. Plus I think it's bloody difficult even at that range to aim correctly at an enemy ship with a hyperjump.
NASA engineers have to be aware of space debris orbiting the Earth that is the size of small particles because when they are orbiting at 18,000 mph around the Earth, they can cause significant damage to spacecraft. Turn that speed up to near or past the speed of light as in hyperspace and an X-wing should be enough to significantly cripple a Death Star sized object, if not completely destroy it. Yes, ships have shields, but these are ray shields meant for cannon fire. Both RotJ and TFA show that a ship can penetrate these shields (TFA displayed it at hyperspace speeds no less). Aiming should be as easy as punching the location into a navicomputer as done for traveling. It is also easier to hit and less difficult to aim at large or close objects, like Star Destroyers, Death Stars, or planets and moons.
"The damage caused crippled the large ship but didn't fully destroy it" This is what was introduced to the fiction by the director. You can dislike that if you'd like but it is not a "mistake."
This was the outcome. Hyperspace ramming was what was introduced. The outcome was also grander than simply crippling a ship. It split the ship in two and the entire fleet or a large portion of it ended up being destroyed. Without a worthwhile explanation as to how this is possible now but not previously, it also introduces plot wholes in the previous movies.
You are talking about a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. You simply don't know. Hypespace is not as simple as going faster than the speed of light. They hardly have shields, I'm talking about armor protection, bulkheads, bulges, space armor, netting. Whatever.
Hyperspace as defined by Wookiepedia is an alternate dimension that could only be reached by traveling at or faster than the speed of light. So at this stage in the ramming stunt, it is as simple as traveling at or past light speeds as the ship has not yet entered the hyperspace lanes in the parallel dimension. So now the force the FO ship faces is the mass times acceleration and since it is traveling past lightspeed, the force would be extraordinary regardless of the mass. It would be even harder to believe an armor or anything else that could withstand that force, even on a Death Star sized space station.
To clarify, this is the hyperspace that Rian Johnson created. Before it was less clear, but the standard that has been followed since the beginning was one could not ram opposing ships with it while entering hyperspace lanes. Han Solo talks about this in A New Hope. Rogue One even has ships just entering hyperspace killing themselves on incoming Star Destroyers. This is the more faithful representation of what hyperspace travel was. Rian Johnson has completely rewritten what occurs in hyperspace which breaks Star Wars canon.
The official explanation is that the Raddus had special experimental deflector shields and that is why it worked. With normal shields it would not have worked.
Source? Is it said in the movie somewhere? So one should expect the Resistance to use these "special experimental deflector shields" and hyperspace ramming to combat the hundreds of Star Destroyers in The Rise of Skywalker, correct? Should be pretty effective. Weird that all the promos have the Resistance fighting them the old-fashioned way.
It is in the novelization of the movie.
Using a novel to correct a mistake a movie makes still makes it a movie mistake. Movies should not need books, comics, or videos games to explain their obvious flaws.
All I was saying is that it was a one in a million shot and that doing it requires a lot more than simply pointing towards the enemy and activating hyperjump. If anyone can do it and it can destroy entire fleets, then everybody would do it. But they don't, so it's not that simple. Since that is a fact, it's not a plot hole.
That is why it creates a plot hole because the movie never presents it in a way that only this ship at this time in this way can do it. It comes across as anyone can do it so why didn't anyone else do it in the thousands of years that this universe has existed through the countless wars that have taken place? Saying it is not that simple is not a fact, its an opinion. I watched it and it looked pretty simple. It comes across as anyone can do it, so everyone should have been doing it, thus the plot hole.
This scene doesn't create a plot hole since, in the film, nothing was established to show this wouldn't work. Nor would it create a plot hole unless it was previously shown that unmanned ships were used as a regular tactic to destroy bigger ships. Plot holes are when something occurs that contradicts what the story itself (usually as a plot device to further the plot along or conclude the plot).
It coming across as simple doesn't make it simple. The simple fact of the matter is that this fictional universe works that way, in the other movies it hasn't happened so it's not simple. It's as simple as that. In any case it would be a plot hole in those movies, not this one. Look, if you want everything to be logical then these movies will be nothing but automated ships ramming into each other left and right and you still want the story to be told? I don't think so. So, you want to explain why they don't ram everything and you got it. Deal with it. Otherwise the fact they use hyperdrives is a plothole then as well.
In this fictional universe, hyperspace did not work as weapons until Rian Johnson changed hyperspace for this movie's plot convenience. In doing so, Rian broke the standard canon that each previous movie followed. This is why its a plot hole in this movie and creates a discontinuity for the entire saga. Everything does not have to be understood or compared to our real world, but each fictional universe has its own set of physical laws and rules that each form of media in that universe needs to follow. Hyperdrives are not plot holes because they existed since the beginning of Star Wars and have a certain set of standards they follow that are understood. Changing these laws without a logical or worthwhile explanation in the film is ultimately disrespectful to the source material. The very idea that you brought up in that this creates plot holes in all the previous films proves that this scene is a terrible addition to the saga.
Seems to me like you just dislike the scene. Thats fine and I can understand you feel its a continuity. But it is not a plot hole for the movie.
It is more of a continuity error that creates plot holes in the previous movies, so it could be labeled better. However, if we view Star Wars as one story like George Lucas did, then it would be a plot hole for Star Wars as a whole. If it was successful in explaining how they could do it now, but not a few years ago, then it would have been fine, more or less. It failed to do so making it a mistake, no matter how visually pleasing it was.
Hyperspace always worked as a weapon. Han explained years ago that is why they had to plot a course through hyperspace. So they would not hit anything. She meant to use it as a weapon, and succeeded. This is nothing new.
If it were a one in a million shot, then Hux would not have panicked and ordered the cruiser shot down immediately. Furthermore, the Resistance could have used their two escort ships, which were going to run out of fuel and be destroyed anyway, to try the same thing.
Doesn't the one in a million argument make Holdo a traitor that attempted to flee at the rebellion's darkest hour then? Your argument is nonsense.
It was a suicide run. It was a one in a million shot to take out the main vessel, but whatever she was going to do, she was going to die.
Suggested correction: Just because it worked on this occasion, doesn't mean it would always work. It also hadn't been attempted before. It's not a plot hole that they didn't destroy the Death Star like this, since nobody in the rebellion considered it.
But why did no-one in the Rebellion consider it? It was their most desperate hour. They were in similar desperation as the Resistance in The Last Jedi, if not more so. Their were similar desperate times in the Clone Wars when both sides had troops of disposable clones and droids. They did not consider trying it then? They were wars occurring before that and no-one thought about using hyperspace as a weapon? It is illogical to think that there was no-one in the history of that universe that would never even consider using hyperspace as a weapon. The reason it was not considered was before Rian Johnson rewrote it, hyperspace did not operate like that. Plain and simple. Rian Johnson rewrote how hyperspace works, creating a plot holes and discontinuities for the entire saga.
No one rewrote Hyperspace. It has always been like that.
28th Nov 2003
Heartbreak Ridge (1986)
Corrected entry: Gunny Highway is drunk in the other room while Mario Van Peeble is told how Highway won the "CMH" in the Korean War. He said their platoon sergeant, Stony Jackson, recommended Highway for the award. First, the award is called "The Medal of Honor." There's no "Congressional" in the title. Second, only officers can recommend soldiers for the Medal of Honor. Stony Jackson's rank was that of an NCO.
Correction: The Medal of Honor is also known as the Congressional Medal of Honor; in fact, the official organisation for recipients is called The Congressional Medal of Honor Society. See: http://www.cmohs.org/medal.htm.
The "Medal of Honor" is erroneously called "The Congressional Medal of Honor", but no military personnel would call it "CMH." Even on the Congressional Medal of Honor Society's website the NEVER call it the Congressional Medal of Honor, in every instance it's simply called "The Medal of Honor."
27th Aug 2003
Dial M for Murder (1954)
Corrected entry: Early in the film, Grace Kelly is talking to Bob Cummings about their extra-marital relationship and blurts out "Oh, Bob." even though Bob Cummings' character's name is "Mark Halliday."
Correction: I think it's Grace Kelly's accent that just sounds like she said "Bob" but she actually did say "Mark".
Correction: Tonight, I heard "Bob" for the first time. Then I checked the CC. Nothing. I played it back a couple of times: "Bob." And then I played it with my eyes closed-just listening, and it sounded like it could be "Mark." But since I wasn't thinking about it when I heard it the first time tonight, I'm leaning towards "Bob."
She does say "Mark." You can hear the "mm" at the beginning. She doesn't have a hard "k" sound at the end though, she has a very soft "k" sound like she did at the end of the word "drink."
19th Mar 2020
2012 (2009)
Corrected entry: When Charlie shows Jackson his video of the 1958 Earth Crust Displacement theory, it states that Einstein agreed with Charles Hapgood's theory, this can't be possible, since Einstein died 3 years earlier in 1955.
Correction: Hapgood worked on his theory for years before his book was published and spoke to Einstein about his theories. Einstein even suggested one of his theories was incorrect. Hapgood's book "The Earth's Shifting Crust", published in 1958, includes a foreword by Albert Einstein.
4th Feb 2008
Balls of Fury (2007)
Corrected entry: When Feng is killed, he is electrocuted by the vest, which is set to full power, before falling into the water, causing it to short out and completely fry him. (You can tell because the gauge on his chest is at the highest level.) However, earlier in the film, he explains that it requires three misses to get the full lethal jolt from the vest, yet this is only his first miss.
Correction: Given that Feng changed the rules to allow the ball to bounce anywhere - it's very possible that the rules for the suit were changed as well even if he didn't mention it.
Why would he change his suit to kill him on 1 miss and let Randy survive 3 misses, that's not what happened at all.
Correction: I didn't see his power gauge at full level. You see it at green (the way it starts) and only 1 red bar is added, which signifies 1 miss.
15th Mar 2020
Taboo (2017)
Corrected entry: Hardy is trying to get a message to the U S President Thomas Jefferson but in 1814 James Madison was President.
Correction: He said he needs to get a message "to Thomas Jefferson and the President of the United States." He wanted to message both men, he was not saying Jefferson was president.
15th Mar 2020
The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)
Factual error: In the beginning when seen the Union attacking, the American flag has 50 stars not the 36 at the time of the war. The flag is incorrect.
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Suggested correction: First, it's not a 50-star flag. There's a clear shot of the flag in one scene where you see it has 3 rows of 7-stars and 2 rows of 6-stars for 33-stars, although not in a pattern I'm familiar with. There's another shot where it's less clear, but you still only see 5 rows of stars and not 9 offset rows. Second, Nevada was the 36th state and didn't join until October 1864. The 36-star flag wouldn't have come out until July 4th, 1865, which was after the Civil War and wouldn't have been flown during the war.
3rd Jan 2014
Haven (2010)
Other mistake: Duke is checking old copies of the Haven Herald around the time of Lucy (27 years ago). A headline on the one he's reading is about Lucy's disappearance. A moment later, he's reading a story about a meteor shower that occurs every 27 years; but the text we can see states that it just happened, and refers to dates in 2010 (having just happened, not '27 years from now'). This paper is supposed to be a 1983 edition. Also there is fake Latin 'filler text' printed in some columns.
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Suggested correction: Lucy's disappearance is at the top of the newspaper and the hunter storm is at the bottom of the same page. Also, the paper predicts the next storm to occur. Just like how we know when to expect the next lunar eclipse or the next meteor shower, so I don't see how this is a mistake.
It's not a prediction of events to come, it's an article telling about the recent event, which states it was seen on the morning of the October 21, 2010. It even compares the 2010 shower to a previous shower that occurred in 2009. The mistake is valid.
15th Mar 2020
An Affair to Remember (1957)
Character mistake: When Cary Grant enters Deborah Kerr's apartment he greets her by saying, "Hello Debbie." Kerr is Terry.
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Suggested correction: He says "Hi, Terry", calling her by the right name.
13th Mar 2020
42nd Street (1933)
Character mistake: On the marquee at the Philadelphia theater where the musical "Pretty Lady" will be performed, lights spell out GALA PREMIER. A premier is the ruler of a country. The debut of a musical is a première.
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Suggested correction: "Premier" as an adjective means "earliest creation", such as a primer issue or "first in importance or order." In fact, in 1933 "Mickey's Gala Premier" was released. Only as a noun does it mean prime minister or other head of government.
27th Aug 2003
44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shoot-Out (2003)
Factual error: After the cops respond to the domestic disturbance (son hitting mom), we see the male officer get in the back with the boy to show him the crime scene photos and he shuts the door after getting in. Police cars are designed so that the back doors must be opened from outside, however, he exited the car with no help. (00:21:00)
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Suggested correction: Police cars just use the child safety lock on the side of door that prevents the back door being opened from inside. It's simple to turn them off so the doors can be opened from the inside.
11th Mar 2020
44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shoot-Out (2003)
Other mistake: When Emil gets out of the car before seeing Larry is dead, he is shown in the front of the car on the right hand side of the car. But the car is a left hand drive as shown when he gets back in. Who was driving? (01:08:20)
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Suggested correction: You see him sitting on the right hand side the whole time, even when he first gets in and Larry says "new plan." He's reaching over with his left hand to steer as the car moves slowly through the streets. There's even a straight on shot around 1:03:15 and it's not a flipped shot since the license plate is normal. It could just be moving on its own momentum while in drive, or he's reached over with his foot, or both sides have pedals (like on a driver's ed car).
8th Mar 2007
One Foot in the Grave (1990)
Revealing mistake: A minute or so after the health and fitness instructer dies, we see her lying flat out on her back. If you look carefully, you can see her chest moving up and down and breathing despite being dead. (00:13:05)
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Suggested correction: If you actually watch the whole episode you will find she didn't die at all.
Talking rubbish I think, she did die. Maybe you're confusing her with the old lady who fainted?
At what point in the show did they reveal the instructor didn't die? It was the old lady who had just fainted.
I'm a big fan of this comedy and have probably watched each episode 20 times! I struggle to recall any mention of the fitness instructor not being dead.
15th Jun 2015
Jurassic World (2015)
Corrected entry: A handler falls a good distance into the raptor paddock and lands on his back, but gets up as if nothing has happened.
Correction: It is entirely possible to survive a fall like that onto your back with no serious damage, especially if he were to go limp. He did not appear to have time to tense up during his fall, which would have reduced damage. Also, the adrenaline would have helped him work through the pain and/or damage.
No it's not possible to survive a fall like that without being receiving serious damage especially given the very large number of Gs of force your body would receive.
Look up the names Chris Saggers, fell from the 22nd story of a building and walked away with a minor fracture, or Julianne Diller, who fell out of an aircraft at 10,000 ft without a parachute and not only survived, was in good enough condition to walk for 10 days in a Peruvian rainforest to get back to civilization. Point being, luck plays a part and the g forces from falling 20 feet aren't as bad as you might think.
The fall was over 30 feet, but bringing up stories of people who sustained substantial injuries doesn't bode well for your argument by that a fall from 20 feet (which isn't even the height he fell from) wouldn't result in injury. Plus, depending on the stopping distance, a fall from 20 feet would easily result in a g-force of over 150 (most concussions deliver 95 g's).
3rd Jul 2018
Jurassic World (2015)
Corrected entry: When the kid tries to rescue the pig in the raptors' area, he falls from over 30 feet up and gets no injury of any kind - he's later absolutely fine and releasing the raptors from the paddock. (00:23:50)
Correction: While not likely, it is possible to fall from a height such as that and sustain no injury.
How do you know that for sure? I have never heard of people surging 30 foot falls without receiving any injury.
There's instances of people falling off midrises with only mild injuries, people survive skydiving accidents, but a young person falling 20 feet (it's no where near a 3 story drop). Just looked up a couple names Chris Staggers and Julianne Diller, look them up.
I didn't see any fall related story for Chris Stagger, but Juliane Diller suffered a broken collarbone, gashes, and her eye was swollen shut, which is the whole point of the mistake. The mistake never claims a fall from that height would have killed him, only that he would have at least SOME kind of injury. The fact that about 50% of people die from falls at a height of 48 feet, and that falls are the 2nd leading cause of accidental deaths, the mistake is valid that a fall of more than 30 feet would result in some injury, if not a major life threatening injury.
It does seem more like 15-20 feet instead of 30. He falls flat onto his back, the safest way to fall as it spreads out of the impact. In addition, we don't actually know that he suffered no injury. Since he wasn't rendered unconscious, he was well aware that he just fell into the raptor pen. The adrenaline surge he would have been going through would have meant pain would have been pushed aside.
16th Feb 2006
Godzilla (1998)
Other mistake: When they are tracking Godzilla to the second pile of fish in Central Park, the tracking device says that Godzilla is moving with a speed of 175 mph. If you look at the shots before it with the soldier looking over the top of the building, it is impossible for her to walk at that speed. (01:18:15)
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Suggested correction: She was moving at 175 meters per hour, not miles.
That would be an even more ridiculous speed. First, "mph" in America is the standard abbreviation for "miles per hour." Second, 175 meters per hour is less than 2 inches per second, which is slower than a slug.
12th Aug 2013
Last Action Hero (1993)
Continuity mistake: When Benedict is getting away from Jack's daughter's house he gets into a white car, but when Jack shoots him the car is black.
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Suggested correction: It's the same car the whole time. The car he gets into is black, but the way the camera picks up the light that hits part of the door does fade out of the color some, but you can see the rest is black.
31st Jul 2012
Last Action Hero (1993)
Revealing mistake: When Arnie flips his car sideways to avoid the Texaco truck, the stunt driver is very obviously not Arnie.
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20th Dec 2002
Last Action Hero (1993)
Deliberate mistake: In the sequence where Jack finds his friend, and then the cards he is holding counts down to the explosion. Jack runs out, and the house explodes throwing the cop car into the air. If you look close, you can see the piston that launches the cop car and then falls back down. (00:24:40)
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Suggested correction: This is a scene in the "fake movie" where everything is an action movie cliche, including seeing the deliberate mistakes.
24th Jun 2006
Click (2006)
Factual error: When Morty is showing Michael how to use the remote, Michael rewinds to a family vacation in 1976. A childhood friend of his invites everyone over to his parents' RV to watch Three's Company. Three's Company didn't premiere until 1977.
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Suggested correction: Although technically this is true, ironically there WERE two pilots for Three's Company filmed in 1976 with some similar and some different cast members, which may or may not of actually aired at the time after being filmed. The 3rd and final pilot with the familiar cast got the show finally rolling in 1977. So the mistake stands, but it could be a bit iffy based on this info.
This mistake does not need correction. This is just trivia that does not impact the mistake. Both pilots were unaired, so they couldn't have watched it on TV. Additionally, this was his summer vacation and the first pilot was taped in May and the second one was taped in November.
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