Ssiscool

4th Oct 2013

Saw (2004)

Chosen answer: The key to Adam's chains. Jigsaw tells him this before locking him in the room at the end. Amanda was supposed to put it around his neck, rather than just throwing it on his chest.

Phaneron

Where exactly have you got that from that she was supposed to put it around his neck? Is it said in one of the films?

I don't recall where I read or learned that, unfortunately. It's definitely not said in "Saw III" in the flashback scene that shows Jigsaw and Amanda prepping Adam and Dr. Gordon's trap, so it might be on the film's commentary track or the director or writers might have said it in an interview.

Phaneron

Since Amanda was helping Jigsaw, he might have told her to put it around Adam's neck.

It must have been said in a later sequel if nothing was mentioned in this one, as a lot of people have repeated the same scenario throughout this thread.

If I recall, it's been a good few months since I watched this one and over a year since I saw the third. It's shown in Saw 3 how Amanda helps set the trap up and is told then.

Ssiscool

24th May 2022

Saw (2004)

Question: So sawing through the thick chain would take too long. What about the padlock which is much thinner? Does flesh plus bone take less time than a thin padlock?

Answer: Nope. Wouldn't work. Per a quick Google search: Padlocks are typically made with hardened steel specifically to make them impenetrable by basic tools like hacksaws. That's why power-tools, bolt cutters or torches are often used to break padlocks... you can't just saw through them with a regular hacksaw.

TedStixon

Plus, the blades are old and appear to be rusty so most likely dull which will make it even harder to cut the metals and more painful to Adam and Dr. Gordon.

Ssiscool

15th Dec 2022

Saw (2004)

Question: Why doesn't Dr Gordon and Adam try to cut through the pipes that their chains are attached to?

Answer: There was originally a scene where Adam and Dr. Gordon would cut through their pipes and speak through them to come up with the plan of faking Adam's death, but James Wan didn't include it in the film as he thought it made no sense if they could cut through the pipes but not the chains.

Answer: They do. That's how Adam breaks the blade on his saw. There is even a mistake listed here where it switched from cutting the chain to cutting the lock.

Ssiscool

12th Oct 2021

Saw (2004)

Question: When Lawrence finds the note given to him by Jigsaw, what did the message mean that the cigarettes were harmless but smoking is poisonous only when it ends in bloodshed and that he didn't need a gun to kill Adam? Were the cigarettes really harmless and if they were, what did Jigsaw mean that Lawrence didn't need a gun to kill Adam?

Answer: The blood that jigsaw pours on the floor contains poison. By dipping the cigarette in there the poison is passed to Adam.

Ssiscool

11th May 2006

Saw (2004)

Question: At the end when Dr. Gordon cuts his foot off, he tells Adam he'll go and get help when he escapes. So wouldn't Adam be able to escape as well once Dr. Gordon gets help? Or would Jigsaw catch up with Dr. Gordon and kill him?

Answer: Dr. Gordon is in Saw 7. Adam is killed by Amanda Young.

I also want to know why Dr Gordon never sent help back for Adam. They were fellow sufferers and even though Dr Gordon joined with jigsaw, he could have called 911 and sent help back for Adam.

I assume that Amanda came along and killed Adam before Dr. Gordon could do anything.

Answer: I assume that Amanda came along and killed Adam before Dr. Gordon could do anything.

Answer: There's still a lot about Dr. Gordon that's not clear. Knowing what we know by Saw 3D, the dialogue between Adam and Dr. Gordon in Saw I almost makes it seem that Dr. Gordon could have been in on the game. Then again, if he was, Jigsaw wouldn't have let Dr. Gordon saw off his own foot.

Answer: It's because the actor didn't want to come back. There are several ways Adam could have returned at this point. Several clues that could have brought him back. It was probably originally intended for both Adam and Dr Gordon to return at some point, even if there were no plans for a sequel.

It is also way too late to have Leigh Whannell come back as Adam in 2023, as the last time he was physically filming new footage was in Saw III back in 2006 - which was 17 years ago - and he's aged a lot since then. Especially considering Saw X will be post-Saw/pre-Saw II, it wouldn't make sense if Adam comes back and ages 17 years in the space of a couple of months, unless they de-aged him. If Adam appears in Saw X, it will most likely be a new recast actor or through archive footage.

Also, when you take into account that "Saw" was filmed in September/October 2003, meaning Leigh Whannell would have been 26 when the film was being made, and he is 47 years old now.

Answer: He might have tried to, because we don't know how long Lawrence was in John's care before he got released. By the time he was fully healed, Amanda already probably killed him.

As stated in another answer, the nerve gas house and bathroom underneath it is the one place Dr Gordon is never shown by Jigsaw until the events of Saw 3D. Dr Gordon is in the care of Jigsaw and simply cannot get help to Adam.

Ssiscool

Exactly. Also, with all that transpired, despite his "promise," Gordon had a lot of other stuff to worry about physically and mentally that he probably wasn't considering when he said he'd come back.

Answer: It's not until Saw 3D that Jigsaw tells Dr Gordon the location of the bathroom (assuming Lawrence passed out after cauterizing his leg after leaving the bathroom and never truly knew where it was)... (from SAW 3D) Hello Dr. Gordon. You are perhaps my greatest asset. Without you, my work over the last few years would not have been possible. That having been said I have a request. Watch over Jill, and should anything happen to her, I want you to act immediately on my behalf. In return for that, I will keep no more secrets from you. I've shown you a lot of places, but there is one that will be perhaps the most meaningful to you.

3rd Dec 2006

Saw (2004)

Question: What is the point of John/Jigsaw being in the room with Adam and Dr. Gordon? If some one can fill me in that would be great.

Answer: He was able to observe the 2 and make sure that the followed the rules. Example would be when Dr. Gordon pretended to kill Adam. Zep couldn't tell if it was real or not, but Jigsaw was right there and knew. Plus, there's a clue in the movie, when the dective says "Looks like out killer likes to book himself front row seats." Jigsaw wanted to see how people reacted when their lives were on the line.

Nick Bylsma

However, in the flashback where John and Amanda set up the game in Saw III, he used a drug that made him sleep and not wake up until the game was pretty much over.

It was too slow his heart rate and breathing. Not put him fully out.

Ssiscool

This can't be correct. Too many things you couldn't control: your chest rising and falling, which would be visible; snoring and involuntary movements.

5th Jul 2020

Saw (2004)

Question: Re Amanda's Reverse Bear Trap 1.) What does the writing on the wall say behind her in the trap? 2.) The "dead body" Donnie Greco - her drug dealer - was alive and in the game getting his body sliced open and had no way out so surely that's against Jigsaw's philosophy as he couldn't win the game by leaving alive?

Answer: The writing on the wall is non related graffiti as can be found in many abandoned buildings. Jigsaw is shown to have little regard for people other than the subjects being tested. In Saw 6, there is the infamous carousel "6 ride the carousel but only 2 can get off alive. Their lives are in your hands" he also has to choose to save an apprentice or a secretary. In saw 4, there is the abusive couple chained together with spikes through his organs, to save herself she must remove the spikes killing him. In Saw 3D, the public trap explains 1 of the 3 must die, be it Brad, Ryan or Gina. So it's clear that Jigsaw and all his accomplices have no qualms in having extra people killed during a game.

Ssiscool

24th Jul 2018

Saw (2004)

Question: How does Jigsaw make the puppet move and talk? And what did Zep do wrong to make Jigsaw put him in a game?

Answer: The puppet is an animatronic, so he programmed its mouth to move with the dialogue on the tapes. Zep is shown earlier in the film to get personally attached/involved with patients at the hospital, so the implication is that he is inserted into the game in a role where he is too personally involved with the dilemmas of strangers.

Phaneron

Answer: Found online: We don't know exactly what Zep has done wrong to call Jigsaw's wrath upon himself, only that he was an orderly at the same hospital where Dr Gordon works and he was an attendant to John Kramer. Dr Gordon hints to the fact that Zep shows too little professional detachment in forming "very special bonds with the patients." On Zep's tape, Jigsaw says "Will you murder a mother and her child to save yourself?" Perhaps this means Zep's sin is that he is always too involved in the lives of complete strangers, neglecting his own life. He has to put his own life over the lives of two strangers in order to win the game.

Ssiscool

27th Oct 2017

Saw (2004)

Question: When Tapp and Sing arrive at Jigsaw's warehouse in their car, Sing can be heard loading his shotgun. It sounds a lot like the "reloading shotgun" sound effect from Half-Life 2. Is it?

EK8829

Answer: It is unlikely as Saw had its first release on January 14th 2004 at the Sundance film festival. Half Life 2 had its first commercial release on November 19th 2004.

Ssiscool

31st Oct 2017

Saw (2004)

Question: How is it known that Amanda was supposed to put the key around Adam's neck?

Answer: Since she was helping Jigsaw with his "game", chances are he told her to do it.

Answer: I don't recall at any point John telling Amanda to put the key around Adam's neck. That is completely made up.

Amanda was Jigsaw's accomplice so it would make sense for him to tell her to do it.

Just because it "makes sense" doesn't make it canon.

We don't actually need to see Jigsaw tell Amanda to put the key Adam's neck. Amanda is Jigsaw's accomplice and will do anything he tells her too. Including, offscreen, have Amanda place the key on Adam.

The whole process had to be planned beforehand. Ample time for it to be explained.

Ssiscool

Answer: Everything is meticulously planned out by Jigsaw. He is extremely methodical and would have told Amanda exactly what needs to be done.

Ssiscool

Answer: It makes sense, since Adam's game was about looking at himself for a change, instead of others. The tape states: "What do voyeurs see when they look into the mirror?" So, if Adam had looked at himself, he would have found the key on him.

21st Mar 2005

Saw (2004)

Question: My gripe is why did the doctor cut off his foot to get to the phone/gun? He was of mind enough to use his shirt to tie around his leg - why not use his shirt to retrieve the phone/gun. Also can't mobile phones set to receive only still make calls to directory enquiries and emergency services?

Answer: It is doubtful there can be a precise correct answer to this, unless you happen to be the screenwriter. However, it can be presumed that the doctor resorted to the skills he had down cold, almost automatic, as opposed to attempting any further creative problem-solving because he was at his wits' end, in a very traumatic situation. He knows how to tourniquet and amputate.

Rooster of Doom

Answer: Dr Gordon had been mentally abused for close to 8 hours by this point. As the situation got more grave he resorts to more drastic (and quicker) methods to try and win his game to save his family. We are shown throughout later films that FBI agent Hoffman (who doesn't appear on screen until Saw 3) is working with Jigsaw at this point already, so has access to high end tech. Enough to manipulate a phone's abilities.

Ssiscool

Answer: So he could escape.

The question wasn't why he cut off his foot. It was why he didn't use his shirt to retrieve the gun.

18th Nov 2017

Saw (2004)

Answer: No.

Is David Tapp still alive?

In the film or video game?

Answer: No, his decomposed corpse is shown in the second film.

Answer: We don't find out in Saw, but Saw II shows his deceased corpse, and flashbacks in Saw III reveal that Amanda went to the bathroom to put him out of his misery, to spare him a long death.

Answer: No, he was suffocated by Amanda Young in a flashback in Saw III, sometime between the events of the end of Saw and the beginning of Saw II.

Answer: No he didn't survive however he was mercy killed by Amanda Young.

Ssiscool

"Mercy killed"? I don't get that part.

Death by dehydration or starvation is pure agony. Suffocation, while brutal and terrifying, is nowhere near as protracted. Hence, merciful.

Amanda, feeling sorry for Adam who is locked in the basement to die of his wound, hunger or thirst (whichever happens first), goes back to kill him by suffocating him. This is so he no longer has to suffer a long slow and painful death. She took mercy on his situation. Hence the phrase, mercy killing.

Ssiscool

14th Jul 2017

Saw (2004)

Question: Why didn't Zep (a hospital orderly) go to a poison control centre for help instead of playing Jigsaw's game?

EK8829

Chosen answer: Zepp is given a set time frame before the poison will kill him. If he went to poison control, in the time it would take for them to find the right antidote he would likely be dead. Being an orderly he would have known this.

Ssiscool

3rd Apr 2017

Saw (2004)

Question: Has the director ever commented on how Mark was supposed to find the combination to the safe with so many numbers on the walls? Are there any theories in general on how to solve it?

Answer: It was pure trial and error - he had to try.

Ssiscool

Answer: I believe the light from the candle would illuminated the hidden numbers needed on the walls The fact that there was broken glass on the floor and flammible substances on his body didn't help much though.

What hidden numbers? All the numbers are in plain sight.

Ssiscool

Answer: He simply has to try and find the right numbers amongst the plethora of false numbers on the walls in a short period of time. Trial and error. Try to find the right combo of numbers from his options. Not sure where the other answer got the "hidden numbers" idea from, as absolutely nothing in the film suggests there are hidden numbers.

3rd Apr 2017

Saw (2004)

Question: If the police had tech teams (as shown in Saw II), then why didn't the tech teams locate the nerve gas house/bathroom via the security cameras that Zep was using to observe Adam and Lawrence in the latter's house? The brief shootout between Zep and Tapp didn't destroy the computers and monitors, and Zep didn't disable or shut them down before leaving, either.

Answer: They weren't in the nerve gas house. They were in Dr Gordon's house.

Ssiscool

Answer: Before Zep told Allison and Diana that Lawrence's time was up, he shut the cameras down.

Answer: I assume that Jigsaw would have disabled the camera in the bathroom so no signal would have been emitted for them to locate the bathroom/nerve gas house.

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