Deadpool & Wolverine

Plot hole: In the opening scene, Wade applies to be an Avenger, and does it in the Sacred Timeline, the main MCU timeline, on Earth-616. Not his own, which the movie classifies in the next scene as Earth-10005. Assuming he can just do that (at the end of his second movie he certainly did stranger things than that with Cable's device), one fails to see the purpose of it. Let's assume he aced the interview and got hired; it's not his timeline. He does it to have a good relationship with his girlfriend. Who...is in a different universe. Whatever Wade does in the vastly different universe is not altering anything in his own. It was never going to work.

Sammo ★

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Suggested correction: He goes back to his universe. Think Thor...or the Guardians or Captain Marvel or whomever isn't Earth based. They "Assemble" then go back to protecting their little corner of the Marvel Universe.

DetectiveGadget85

Suggested correction: But it's Deadpool. When does anything he ever does make sense? He wanted to be an Avenger, he went out to be one, no matter what that meant in the literal sense. As long as he can say it, it's enough for him. Even if it is in a different universe/timeline, he can still say he's an Avenger. He is also a rule breaker, so maybe he can figure out how to make it work.

lionhead

I knew this was going to be the objection to it; it's Deadpool, he can do whatever, etc. There are multiple times during the movie when he mentions things that he is not supposed to know because they are meant to be fourth-wall-breaking jokes. He references real-life actors, he interacted with them in previous movies. So they are absurdities with a purpose, and it's pointless to argue with comedy. But him being rejected by the Avengers is part of his motivations and of the 'serious' part of the plot, which is focused on his own universe and his girlfriend. Earth-616's Avengers though? The namedropping for nerds is an absurd choice when you think about it, which the movie does not want you to do, since it makes zero jokes about it. Without that caption it was not even going to raise any objection or paradox; he could have met with the Avengers of his universe, any universe - later in the movie Wolverine says "F*** the Avengers" as if he knows them.

Sammo ★

Two things: 1. Even if he is able to join the Avengers on Earth-616, being part of a team might give him a sense of belonging and change his whole attitude. It wasn't to impress Vanessa about being an Avenger, it was to change his attitude which had soured after the events of the second movie. 2. It cleverly explains that the Marvel characters from the Fox universe were in their own universe and, to this point, have likely not been a part of the MCU.

Maybe his universe doesn't have Avengers and he found out about them through the MCU. That's what I'm saying. It's just a gimmick in the movie and actually doesn't affect the plot that much as he was given a task by the TVA (or whatever lone wolf from the TVA) and teams up with Wolverine. Him trying to be an Avenger and talking about it is just a running gag.

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Plot hole: In the opening scene, Wade applies to be an Avenger, and does it in the Sacred Timeline, the main MCU timeline, on Earth-616. Not his own, which the movie classifies in the next scene as Earth-10005. Assuming he can just do that (at the end of his second movie he certainly did stranger things than that with Cable's device), one fails to see the purpose of it. Let's assume he aced the interview and got hired; it's not his timeline. He does it to have a good relationship with his girlfriend. Who...is in a different universe. Whatever Wade does in the vastly different universe is not altering anything in his own. It was never going to work.

Sammo ★

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Suggested correction: He goes back to his universe. Think Thor...or the Guardians or Captain Marvel or whomever isn't Earth based. They "Assemble" then go back to protecting their little corner of the Marvel Universe.

DetectiveGadget85

Suggested correction: But it's Deadpool. When does anything he ever does make sense? He wanted to be an Avenger, he went out to be one, no matter what that meant in the literal sense. As long as he can say it, it's enough for him. Even if it is in a different universe/timeline, he can still say he's an Avenger. He is also a rule breaker, so maybe he can figure out how to make it work.

lionhead

I knew this was going to be the objection to it; it's Deadpool, he can do whatever, etc. There are multiple times during the movie when he mentions things that he is not supposed to know because they are meant to be fourth-wall-breaking jokes. He references real-life actors, he interacted with them in previous movies. So they are absurdities with a purpose, and it's pointless to argue with comedy. But him being rejected by the Avengers is part of his motivations and of the 'serious' part of the plot, which is focused on his own universe and his girlfriend. Earth-616's Avengers though? The namedropping for nerds is an absurd choice when you think about it, which the movie does not want you to do, since it makes zero jokes about it. Without that caption it was not even going to raise any objection or paradox; he could have met with the Avengers of his universe, any universe - later in the movie Wolverine says "F*** the Avengers" as if he knows them.

Sammo ★

Two things: 1. Even if he is able to join the Avengers on Earth-616, being part of a team might give him a sense of belonging and change his whole attitude. It wasn't to impress Vanessa about being an Avenger, it was to change his attitude which had soured after the events of the second movie. 2. It cleverly explains that the Marvel characters from the Fox universe were in their own universe and, to this point, have likely not been a part of the MCU.

Maybe his universe doesn't have Avengers and he found out about them through the MCU. That's what I'm saying. It's just a gimmick in the movie and actually doesn't affect the plot that much as he was given a task by the TVA (or whatever lone wolf from the TVA) and teams up with Wolverine. Him trying to be an Avenger and talking about it is just a running gag.

lionhead

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Question: This film will be a sequel to the first two Deadpool films, which were part of the Fox X-Men franchise, but will instead be a part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Is this the first time in history that a film is a sequel to another film, but is now part of a new franchise?

Phaneron ★

Answer: In addition to Bishop's answer, you could theoretically apply this to Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man characters. They both appeared in "Spider-Man: No Way Home," which technically acts as a sequel to "Spider-Man 3," "The Amazing Spider-Man 2" and "Spider-Man: Far From Home" - three distinct movie franchises. (And there are persistent rumors that Maguire and/or Garfield may make future MCU appearances).

TedStixon

To add to that (I ran out of room in my reply), with the creation of the multiverse, now any Sony or Fox franchise or universe can be considered as part of the MCU. So any Fantastic Four or X-Men sequel (although most likely any up coming film will be a reboot) can be part of the MCU.

Bishop73

I get what you're saying, but No Way Home was more of a crossover film that acknowledged characters coexisting in the multiverse, with those characters returning to their respective universes by the end, and Sony would still have control of those characters. Although we won't know for sure until Deadpool 3 comes out, Deadpool is meant to start as a character in a previously established film franchise and then occupy a different one moving forward.

Phaneron ★

But what film franchise would he be in? If he's in a Deadpool movie, he's in the Deadpool franchise. If they stop making Deadpool films and put him in another film, then he becomes part of another franchise. (Or more likely, just another crossover film).

Bishop73

This is where I would disagree with you about the MCU not being a franchise. I would contend that it is a franchise, and every series of films and TV shows within it are sub-franchises. So the Deadpool series of films would be a franchise unto itself, beginning in the larger Fox X-Men franchise and transitioning over to the MCU.

Phaneron ★

So what distinguishes one Marvel film from being in the MCU and another Marvel film not to be in it? Marvel Studios has been part of the production of a lot of films not included in the MCU, including the Blade, X-Men, and Deadpool films.

Bishop73

Any film made by Marvel themselves (or co-produced like the Tom Holland Spider-Man films). Marvel didn't begin making their own movies until the first Iron Man. All previous movies based on Marvel characters were made by other studios in association with Marvel, largely because Marvel licensed out their properties to avoid going bankrupt. The MCU itself is recognized as being the highest-grossing film franchise of all time.

Phaneron ★

Answer: It depends how you want to define a franchise. Are you talking production companies involved or the distribution company? And are you considering reboots? The reason Deadpool 3 would be "set" in the MCU is because Disney bought Fox and the filming rights returned to Marvel Studios, along with the rights to X-Men and Fantastic Four. When Sony rebooted Spider-Man with Tom Holland, Sony shared the rights with Marvel Studios. So Spider-Man was part of the MCU while still being part of the Sony Spider-man franchise. Venom 2's mid-credit scene is meant to make it part of the MCU while still being part of Sony's Spider-Man Universe. That being said, there are a number of cross-over films that put sequels into another franchises. Such as Freddy vs Jason, Godzilla vs Kong, or Frankenstein meets the Wolf-Man.

Bishop73

I'm speaking strictly from a narrative point of view. Say, for instance, they made a new Alien movie, but it was now part of the Avatar franchise moving forward, while still being a sequel to the previous Alien movies, and not intended to be a brief crossover. I know the meta nature of the Deadpool character and movies makes it a different beast, but still.

Phaneron ★

And this is what's up for debate, but to me, the MCU isn't a franchise. It's made up of the various franchises; Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, etc. where they exist in the same universe. So when crossover films occur, it's two or more franchises now existing in the same universe. Even the Avenger films can be considered crossovers. Which is why people were wonder if Spider-Man was part of the MCU or the Sony universe. Deadpool is still part of the Deadpool franchise, but now part of the MCU.

Bishop73

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